Jam Is Flawless
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Jam Is Flawless
by Ruohola » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:53
Okay, first of all, dont mix me up with Ruohola. He had autologin on my PC to your forums, so therefore I'm writing this from his accounts.
So, this morning I came home from gf's place and decided to do some pubbing, on PS #1 or #2. I first joined up to #2, which was pretty empty, so I decided to try 1. Noticed that I was banned, got pissed of and was going to rage your forums with anger.
Well, on the same second Sab (Sabrina, from flawless) pm'd me on xfire, about accepting her friend invitation. So I did, and a moment later she started to ask me questions. About cheating, on your servers.
We had long discussion, and she told me that I was cheating yesterday on Prime Squadron servers. I asked her to send me demos and so she did. They're obvious, I accept that, there was couple obvious scenes in each demo, about wierd tracking etc, but cmon. I've been playing on your servers for, what, 3-5 months now? I've been called cheaters for thousand times, people have been speccing me, and now all you came up is wallhacking?
Theres not much I can say, I know I wont be trusted because of the demos, nor defended. First I thought it was my brother, before seeing the demos. After watching them, I just couldnt say anything. It wasnt my brother, lets have this thing out. It was me playing, me doing obvious things, but legit. Just legit, with my mx518 and corepad, without any external programs.
Well, I cant be arsed to write all again, so I'm just pasteing the discussion between me and Sabrina. I also have the one demo uploaded, so you all can have your own opinions and decide your own. All I can say that, people on this game are a bit too paranoia from time to time. Everytime a ten cheaters are banned an innocent gets banned too. Thats the way it goes, THO, I still believe if this would be etpro and we would sent the demos to ClanBase I wouldnt get my ass banned. But yeh, gamesense all the way. It's obvious, indeed, but not that im hacking - all I say, that ambiescene and rivatuner are my friends - and that scene where I shoot the box is just about colours. It's a bit hard to explain, but I added a link to crossfire where you can see a picture of how it looks and the poll about should it be used or not.
Peace out.
Demo of me - 3mb - Industry2
http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=Q743R3LY
The poll about one "help" I use when I play - r_ambiescale - CF
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=poll&mode=item&id=350
My and Saby's discussion.
♥Saby: Hello Jam.
♥Saby: Could you accept my invitation on xfire ?
jamisflawless: heyy !
jamisflawless: i havent got it
jamisflawless: inv again
jamisflawless:
♥Saby:
♥Saby: Do you have a minute to talk a bit ?
jamisflawless: sure!
jamisflawless: just came home ^^
♥Saby: ^^
♥Saby: Well.
♥Saby: How to start.
♥Saby: First of all, Oxygen sent me a demo. About you.
♥Saby: Using Wallhack
♥Saby: I couldnt believe it first
jamisflawless: huh
♥Saby: but when i watched it is so obvious mate
♥Saby: what the hell came up to your mind ????
jamisflawless: that might be the reason im banned from ps 1, lmao
♥Saby: Do you realise what this mean ???
jamisflawless: but i havent used wallhack.
jamisflawless: i spent night at my gf's
♥Saby: Comon i am not a newby
jamisflawless: just came home a few mins ago
jamisflawless: and tried going ps1
jamisflawless: ye i realize that, but dont forget that
jamisflawless: im having still that little brother around
jamisflawless: ruohola
♥Saby: no no this doest work with me, the little bro playing with your ETkey
jamisflawless: and hes not @ home yet so
jamisflawless: Sab, you know i wouldnt hack. ive been legit for so long.
jamisflawless: and yes, i know it sounds like explaining
♥Saby: ye and that's the point why i am so mad a tyou
jamisflawless: of course it does, ive seen so many thigns like this in etscene
jamisflawless: but honestly, i havent hacked, why the heck i would do that
jamisflawless: i left my clan and started to just play for fun in jaymod/nq
jamisflawless: why the hell i would be hacking?
♥Saby: well. This is what we gonna do as you probably wont admit it and will try to make me change my mind
♥Saby: I am going to ask you 2 things.
jamisflawless: and dont know if youve been playing on ps much, but i have little brother named ruohola
jamisflawless: who constantly plays here too , with my pc as its the only one we have atm.
♥Saby: The first one is to never put jam is flawless anymore, you forget this. I do not want to be related to you anymore
jamisflawless: huh.
♥Saby: you take off everything where flawless appears in it and we're clear
♥Saby: if you don't
jamisflawless: pretty unfair as i havnet hacked lol.
jamisflawless: can i see the demo?
♥Saby: i'm gonna send alll the demos i have with your etkey and your guid, and ip to PB
♥Saby: so you won't ever be able to connect on a PB mod on any game
jamisflawless: you can do that, you can send them to evenbalance if you wish
♥Saby: because as you can see, i can not stand cheaters
jamisflawless: but i havent hacked, thats the whole point
jamisflawless: like i dont know that, CMON sab
♥Saby: you wanna see the demo ?
jamisflawless: yes
jamisflawless: why the *beep* i would hack if i told you that even nemesis hacked
jamisflawless: i know how to regocnize cheaters
jamisflawless: i wouldnt cheat myself, and im saying that i havent, never
♥Saby: http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=Q743R3LY
jamisflawless: you or kris accused me of hacks in the times of flawless
jamisflawless: but i have shit days
jamisflawless: everyone does
jamisflawless: i havent used anything and thats my point.
♥Saby: 6 PS spected you. I have 4 demos about this, your name, etkey and xp
♥Saby: so cmon just stop lying
jamisflawless: OMFG
jamisflawless: i have been at my gf's place for god sake!
jamisflawless: if you would be finnish i could prove it lmao
♥Saby: this is so *beep* obvious that this jam is hacking
jamisflawless: what was the nick?
jamisflawless: of the player?
♥Saby: JaM is Flawless -.-
jamisflawless: ..
jamisflawless: when was this?
♥Saby: yesterday
jamisflawless: yes but time?
jamisflawless: i left around 4
jamisflawless: or so
♥Saby: it was arround 4 or after as you also know
jamisflawless: ...
jamisflawless: god sakes
jamisflawless: got vent?
jamisflawless: i cba to write
♥Saby: the thing is, jam that this story isn't just about you
jamisflawless: ye i know thats gonna be related to you
jamisflawless: but its funmod, i wouldnt *beep* hack
jamisflawless: god sakes
♥Saby: when i connnected on PS1, the PS cunts told me : Haha you're wallhacking too sab ? Let's spec her just in case
jamisflawless: ive been playing in opencup *beep* premier
jamisflawless: why the *beep* i would turn up my mind
jamisflawless: left the actual et scene
jamisflawless: find a nice public server
jamisflawless: and start playing there for fun?
jamisflawless: if id been hacking?
jamisflawless: ive been playing at ps servers for 3months or so
jamisflawless: and now they think im wh'ing
??
♥Saby: i don't actually give a *beep* about that. You have your explanations that i absoulutly do not believe in, and i have the facts
jamisflawless: why wouldnt they come up like this earlier?
♥Saby: you can activate it and disactivate it ...
jamisflawless: and how you know?
♥Saby: i mean don't be stupid and try to make me think different
♥Saby: You hacked, your etkey hacked and your *beep* guid hacked
♥Saby: is this clear enough ?
jamisflawless: im not making anything different, the whole point is i didnt hack, i never did, im not hacking, i dont even know how to hack, i allways have a nicks like "cheater666" etc just to get people curious about me
jamisflawless: i would admit if i did, but i didnt.
♥Saby: so now what, its your brother / father / Step Mother / Cousin / Dog who hacked ? THat aint my problem. Your PC your responsability
jamisflawless: one sec, lemme watch the demo.
jamisflawless: which folder to put it on?
♥Saby: NQ
♥Saby: and launch the NQ mod
♥Saby: so the fact is that you're banned from PS1, and gonna be banned on all their servers. But as i know pretty well bore, you also won your bans on all the LL servers.
♥Saby: even if we used to be friends, this is so not the point. i do not want to be friend with any cheater or guy who cheated once.
♥Saby: and as i kinda do not know you anymore i dont really care
jamisflawless: oh lol
jamisflawless: i watched that demo
jamisflawless: and im not saying i didnt play it, yes i played this , and imo there was only 2 obvious scenes
jamisflawless: i played it, lets not accuse my brother as i thought he has hacked on ps with any hacks, but yeh, i played this game on industry, but without hacks.
♥Saby: lmao
♥Saby: this is the worst lie i never saw
jamisflawless: shame that you wanna end our friendship after years like this but its just up to you, all i can do is defence myself as ive played such a long time and ive gained my gamesense alot
jamisflawless: demo like this would never get me banned from e.g clanbase.
♥Saby: how can you explain that, everytime the axis spawn, you knew that there were one guy ? How can you explain that once, you're trying to get through the wall ? How can you explain that you get out knowing no one is there ?
jamisflawless: sab, i watched it with shownormals 1
jamisflawless: and to me there was that obvious spawncamping
jamisflawless: but its spawncamping, cmon
jamisflawless: the whole point is that you camp and wait
jamisflawless: why i would stood there if id had wh
jamisflawless: and i knew e.g the one guy standing up?
jamisflawless: or the mortar guy?
jamisflawless: on the demo i noticed him when i walked near
♥Saby: Jam.
jamisflawless: and decided to knife him.
♥Saby: Stop arguing, there is no point.
jamisflawless: to me, there was couple scenes that are obvious, but the whole demo isnt.
♥Saby: I sent it to sooooo many persons, and soooo many persons spected you.
jamisflawless: PS's been speccing me since i started playing
jamisflawless: thats the first time im accused
jamisflawless: and i didnt even hack
jamisflawless: i mean, im accused with demo*
♥Saby: i am not a newbie, i had severs if you remember correctly, and i still know how to catch a *beep* cheater that you are
♥Saby: i have 4 demos, dont forget it
jamisflawless: of me? send me all then!
♥Saby: and on each one there a weird scenes
jamisflawless: might be, might be sabrina.
jamisflawless: but the fact is i dont hack, never did, never will
jamisflawless: expect on ps2 crashbandigoos
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jamisflawless: huh well
jamisflawless: i might allready start writing a good bye to my friends
♥Saby: ?
♥Saby: what you mean ?
jamisflawless: on all the forums, might just try joining back to etpro clan and quit the funscene, stupid that people are so curious when someone just does something that MIGHT be hacking. yeh.
jamisflawless: ill upload the demos to PS too
jamisflawless: so you dont have to bother
♥Saby: xD
♥Saby: cmon, we are not jealous of you playing well, we all just can't stand cheaters, and you are one of them
jamisflawless: i dont think your jealous
jamisflawless: i just think that some people dont have deeper sight.
♥Saby: ive seen good players, like tomy, but he doesnt cheat, even if he has a great gameplay and etsense
jamisflawless: dont know that guy, but yeh like i wouldnt hate cheaters
♥Saby: how the hell can you know there was one guy there, and there and there ? I mean cmon even when im doing my best i couldnt guess he was there
jamisflawless: how many times i raged and broke my headset when getting spawnraped on some cb match
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jamisflawless: im not saying that you wouldnt
jamisflawless: i had good day, but i always played that level on PS..
♥Saby: you just so dont get it
jamisflawless: and this is the first time they come up with demos.
jamisflawless: i just so get it, you accuse me and the whole ps does, why bother defending myself. i first thought that my littlebrother, Ruohola, for real cheated on the servers. but then i saw that it was me, and i didnt use anything.
jamisflawless: whole point is that. you got your own opinion, i got mine.
jamisflawless: and btw, i use ambiescale etc.
jamisflawless: which are allowed.
jamisflawless: so make charecters etc look brigher
jamisflawless: and bushes and stuff deeper
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♥Saby: well, i think we can then stop the discussion here then. I'm gonna send all these demos to Evenbalance with your IP/Guid/Name and let's see what they think about it.
jamisflawless: yea
jamisflawless: you can do whats the best for you
♥Saby: and just never put the flawless again
jamisflawless: i dont care so much about the fact that people accuse me of cheating, but its always a shame to lose a friend.
jamisflawless: hah, so now your saying that i can use a sentence anymore when i play. get real,this is a *beep* game of people who're jealously accusing me. i didnt expect this coming from you, as i always was the one who banned people on your servers etc blablabla.
jamisflawless: but yeh, however you want, you can read my post on ps in a bit and also send them to evenbalance, i wanna know their opinion too.
jamisflawless: and one thing more, if i'd hack, how i could play on all ps servers so long?
jamisflawless: and now they "caught" me?
jamisflawless: theres PB in 4 of 5
jamisflawless: yes, thats a fact the demo is from 1 which hasnt got it, but i always play same style
jamisflawless: ive been mostly playing 2 & 5 where herk and hope plays
jamisflawless: and they has pb innit
jamisflawless: and people been accusing me on them too
jamisflawless: but yeh, u got your opinion and i got mine. peace out then 8D
♥Saby: i am not *beep* talking about the other servers, i aml talking about these freaking demos i have about you. So what ? you're gonna tell me that you played on a PB server ? What the hell does it have it place here ? I truely don't give a *beep* about this ok ?
♥Saby: I Mean you cheated on PS1
♥Saby: and now you're talking about another server ?
♥Saby: THere is absolutly no *beep* relation between these 2
jamisflawless: ..
jamisflawless: the point is, i wouldnt buy cheat.
jamisflawless: and as long as i know from scene, there is no hacks
jamisflawless: that works for free.
jamisflawless: np.
jamisflawless: and no need to get mad. =D
♥Saby: crusher
♥Saby:
♥Saby: free btw
♥Saby: you might didnt use this one as there is an aimbot with it
♥Saby: but you still used one
jamisflawless: ...
jamisflawless: if i would hack why wouldnt i use aimbot too..
jamisflawless: lol.
♥Saby: i never said you used an aimbot -.-
jamisflawless: you never did indeed.
jamisflawless: but if i had a hack i would do everything im able to do with it lol.
jamisflawless: i would just rage the servers and be a dick
♥Saby: no affraid of beeing caught
jamisflawless: which im not. but however.
jamisflawless: you think if i used wallhack first time of my life, i wouldnt been shooting walls etc. all the time?
jamisflawless: ..
♥Saby: if i had doubts in the past, this is not for no reason
jamisflawless: you've had doubts?
♥Saby: you said yourself that kris and i thought you were hacking
jamisflawless: cmon, you had boyfriend who cheated with 60% acc shooting triple hs and doing 180 turns all the time.. and you didnt think he was obvious, and now youre accusing me. great. -.-
jamisflawless: yeh, you or kris
jamisflawless: and then you kicked me from flawless when you merged with aoc
jamisflawless: because i was so shit
jamisflawless: if i was so shit why kris accused me 2 years back?
jamisflawless: and you do now?
jamisflawless: ...
♥Saby: talking about nemesis is such a shame as you actually don't know what i thought and what i knew
♥Saby: and what ? This is what is making you mad ? That neme cheated and that im mad at you ?
♥Saby: thinking its unfair, that i shouldnt say anything because of what neme did ?
♥Saby: cmon, this aint a story about him its about you
jamisflawless: ye
jamisflawless: its about never ending story
jamisflawless: about fighting against cheaters
jamisflawless: and every 10 times
jamisflawless: an innocent is banned.
jamisflawless: thats how it goes.
♥Saby: but this time, the innocent isnt you here
jamisflawless: what can i do that the punkbuster is so *beep* shit and people are paranoia
♥Saby: lol
jamisflawless: this is the time, that innocent is me. indeed.
♥Saby: remember panic is flawless ?
jamisflawless: somehow, yes.
♥Saby: he hacked
♥Saby: used wallhack
jamisflawless: like i didnt know?
♥Saby: but wasn't that obvious
jamisflawless: i told you thousand times.
♥Saby: but still i kicked him out
♥Saby: now its your turn, mate
jamisflawless: he wasnt obvious? sure lmao!
♥Saby: i just so not want to be friend with a *beep* cheater plus a liar. I had my quantity with nemesis
jamisflawless: im not gonna get mad about something i never done, but im just dissapointed on you, as youre on me.
jamisflawless: CMON why the *beep* i would lie to you???????
jamisflawless: its one care???
jamisflawless: i wont get unbanned because people are not seeing deep
jamisflawless: whats the point?
jamisflawless: i would admit if i did
jamisflawless: i got nothing to lose
jamisflawless: not even any respect, i dont have gained any on NQ
♥Saby: you have so much to loose
jamisflawless: why i care so much? because i dont want to lose friends bcuz of this shit lol.
jamisflawless: what i have to lose?
♥Saby: first, my respect, my friendship and also all the ones you new on public servers. Plus, all your reputation, and now your connections on PB servers
jamisflawless: i can still connect on pb servers.
♥Saby: not for long trust me
jamisflawless: its not like its the end, you can change your guid key etc. afaik
jamisflawless: no problem, i dont care.
jamisflawless: i could find out the guide to do that
jamisflawless: im just dissapointed truly.
jamisflawless: on how paranoia the people are on this game.
jamisflawless: i should've stood with rtwc.
jamisflawless:
♥Saby: you think what ? That im paranoiac ?
♥Saby: that you're not a cheater but still my paranoia shows me the wrong way to go ?
♥Saby: that again, my paranoia is showing me that you're shooting bullets againts walls ?
♥Saby: hmm how bad it is huh
jamisflawless: i didnt shoot walls
jamisflawless: on the first demo
jamisflawless: just on the box once
jamisflawless: but as i told, i have ambiescales etc. used, colours fixed with rivatuner and stuff.
jamisflawless: so seeing things darker and shiner
jamisflawless: etc. yeh that has nothing to do with it
jamisflawless: but just saying that you cant always recognize things
jamisflawless: until you play with fov of 90 and r picmip -1
♥Saby: oki. email is sent to evenbalance. Do you want me to let you know their opinion or do you want to have a supprise when one day you'll try to connect ?
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you farewell incase I'm gonna be one more innocent who gets banned. Was fun playing with all of you guys, and I hope the game gets a better punkbuster and people with deeper sight to get real cheaters banned.
Shoutouts to people that still believe in me. Think I'm moving back to etpro again, after this case.
JaM[fin]!
So, this morning I came home from gf's place and decided to do some pubbing, on PS #1 or #2. I first joined up to #2, which was pretty empty, so I decided to try 1. Noticed that I was banned, got pissed of and was going to rage your forums with anger.
Well, on the same second Sab (Sabrina, from flawless) pm'd me on xfire, about accepting her friend invitation. So I did, and a moment later she started to ask me questions. About cheating, on your servers.
We had long discussion, and she told me that I was cheating yesterday on Prime Squadron servers. I asked her to send me demos and so she did. They're obvious, I accept that, there was couple obvious scenes in each demo, about wierd tracking etc, but cmon. I've been playing on your servers for, what, 3-5 months now? I've been called cheaters for thousand times, people have been speccing me, and now all you came up is wallhacking?
Theres not much I can say, I know I wont be trusted because of the demos, nor defended. First I thought it was my brother, before seeing the demos. After watching them, I just couldnt say anything. It wasnt my brother, lets have this thing out. It was me playing, me doing obvious things, but legit. Just legit, with my mx518 and corepad, without any external programs.
Well, I cant be arsed to write all again, so I'm just pasteing the discussion between me and Sabrina. I also have the one demo uploaded, so you all can have your own opinions and decide your own. All I can say that, people on this game are a bit too paranoia from time to time. Everytime a ten cheaters are banned an innocent gets banned too. Thats the way it goes, THO, I still believe if this would be etpro and we would sent the demos to ClanBase I wouldnt get my ass banned. But yeh, gamesense all the way. It's obvious, indeed, but not that im hacking - all I say, that ambiescene and rivatuner are my friends - and that scene where I shoot the box is just about colours. It's a bit hard to explain, but I added a link to crossfire where you can see a picture of how it looks and the poll about should it be used or not.
Peace out.
Demo of me - 3mb - Industry2
http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=Q743R3LY
The poll about one "help" I use when I play - r_ambiescale - CF
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=poll&mode=item&id=350
My and Saby's discussion.
♥Saby: Hello Jam.
♥Saby: Could you accept my invitation on xfire ?
jamisflawless: heyy !
jamisflawless: i havent got it
jamisflawless: inv again
jamisflawless:
♥Saby:
♥Saby: Do you have a minute to talk a bit ?
jamisflawless: sure!
jamisflawless: just came home ^^
♥Saby: ^^
♥Saby: Well.
♥Saby: How to start.
♥Saby: First of all, Oxygen sent me a demo. About you.
♥Saby: Using Wallhack
♥Saby: I couldnt believe it first
jamisflawless: huh
♥Saby: but when i watched it is so obvious mate
♥Saby: what the hell came up to your mind ????
jamisflawless: that might be the reason im banned from ps 1, lmao
♥Saby: Do you realise what this mean ???
jamisflawless: but i havent used wallhack.
jamisflawless: i spent night at my gf's
♥Saby: Comon i am not a newby
jamisflawless: just came home a few mins ago
jamisflawless: and tried going ps1
jamisflawless: ye i realize that, but dont forget that
jamisflawless: im having still that little brother around
jamisflawless: ruohola
♥Saby: no no this doest work with me, the little bro playing with your ETkey
jamisflawless: and hes not @ home yet so
jamisflawless: Sab, you know i wouldnt hack. ive been legit for so long.
jamisflawless: and yes, i know it sounds like explaining
♥Saby: ye and that's the point why i am so mad a tyou
jamisflawless: of course it does, ive seen so many thigns like this in etscene
jamisflawless: but honestly, i havent hacked, why the heck i would do that
jamisflawless: i left my clan and started to just play for fun in jaymod/nq
jamisflawless: why the hell i would be hacking?
♥Saby: well. This is what we gonna do as you probably wont admit it and will try to make me change my mind
♥Saby: I am going to ask you 2 things.
jamisflawless: and dont know if youve been playing on ps much, but i have little brother named ruohola
jamisflawless: who constantly plays here too , with my pc as its the only one we have atm.
♥Saby: The first one is to never put jam is flawless anymore, you forget this. I do not want to be related to you anymore
jamisflawless: huh.
♥Saby: you take off everything where flawless appears in it and we're clear
♥Saby: if you don't
jamisflawless: pretty unfair as i havnet hacked lol.
jamisflawless: can i see the demo?
♥Saby: i'm gonna send alll the demos i have with your etkey and your guid, and ip to PB
♥Saby: so you won't ever be able to connect on a PB mod on any game
jamisflawless: you can do that, you can send them to evenbalance if you wish
♥Saby: because as you can see, i can not stand cheaters
jamisflawless: but i havent hacked, thats the whole point
jamisflawless: like i dont know that, CMON sab
♥Saby: you wanna see the demo ?
jamisflawless: yes
jamisflawless: why the *beep* i would hack if i told you that even nemesis hacked
jamisflawless: i know how to regocnize cheaters
jamisflawless: i wouldnt cheat myself, and im saying that i havent, never
♥Saby: http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=Q743R3LY
jamisflawless: you or kris accused me of hacks in the times of flawless
jamisflawless: but i have shit days
jamisflawless: everyone does
jamisflawless: i havent used anything and thats my point.
♥Saby: 6 PS spected you. I have 4 demos about this, your name, etkey and xp
♥Saby: so cmon just stop lying
jamisflawless: OMFG
jamisflawless: i have been at my gf's place for god sake!
jamisflawless: if you would be finnish i could prove it lmao
♥Saby: this is so *beep* obvious that this jam is hacking
jamisflawless: what was the nick?
jamisflawless: of the player?
♥Saby: JaM is Flawless -.-
jamisflawless: ..
jamisflawless: when was this?
♥Saby: yesterday
jamisflawless: yes but time?
jamisflawless: i left around 4
jamisflawless: or so
♥Saby: it was arround 4 or after as you also know
jamisflawless: ...
jamisflawless: god sakes
jamisflawless: got vent?
jamisflawless: i cba to write
♥Saby: the thing is, jam that this story isn't just about you
jamisflawless: ye i know thats gonna be related to you
jamisflawless: but its funmod, i wouldnt *beep* hack
jamisflawless: god sakes
♥Saby: when i connnected on PS1, the PS cunts told me : Haha you're wallhacking too sab ? Let's spec her just in case
jamisflawless: ive been playing in opencup *beep* premier
jamisflawless: why the *beep* i would turn up my mind
jamisflawless: left the actual et scene
jamisflawless: find a nice public server
jamisflawless: and start playing there for fun?
jamisflawless: if id been hacking?
jamisflawless: ive been playing at ps servers for 3months or so
jamisflawless: and now they think im wh'ing
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♥Saby: i don't actually give a *beep* about that. You have your explanations that i absoulutly do not believe in, and i have the facts
jamisflawless: why wouldnt they come up like this earlier?
♥Saby: you can activate it and disactivate it ...
jamisflawless: and how you know?
♥Saby: i mean don't be stupid and try to make me think different
♥Saby: You hacked, your etkey hacked and your *beep* guid hacked
♥Saby: is this clear enough ?
jamisflawless: im not making anything different, the whole point is i didnt hack, i never did, im not hacking, i dont even know how to hack, i allways have a nicks like "cheater666" etc just to get people curious about me
jamisflawless: i would admit if i did, but i didnt.
♥Saby: so now what, its your brother / father / Step Mother / Cousin / Dog who hacked ? THat aint my problem. Your PC your responsability
jamisflawless: one sec, lemme watch the demo.
jamisflawless: which folder to put it on?
♥Saby: NQ
♥Saby: and launch the NQ mod
♥Saby: so the fact is that you're banned from PS1, and gonna be banned on all their servers. But as i know pretty well bore, you also won your bans on all the LL servers.
♥Saby: even if we used to be friends, this is so not the point. i do not want to be friend with any cheater or guy who cheated once.
♥Saby: and as i kinda do not know you anymore i dont really care
jamisflawless: oh lol
jamisflawless: i watched that demo
jamisflawless: and im not saying i didnt play it, yes i played this , and imo there was only 2 obvious scenes
jamisflawless: i played it, lets not accuse my brother as i thought he has hacked on ps with any hacks, but yeh, i played this game on industry, but without hacks.
♥Saby: lmao
♥Saby: this is the worst lie i never saw
jamisflawless: shame that you wanna end our friendship after years like this but its just up to you, all i can do is defence myself as ive played such a long time and ive gained my gamesense alot
jamisflawless: demo like this would never get me banned from e.g clanbase.
♥Saby: how can you explain that, everytime the axis spawn, you knew that there were one guy ? How can you explain that once, you're trying to get through the wall ? How can you explain that you get out knowing no one is there ?
jamisflawless: sab, i watched it with shownormals 1
jamisflawless: and to me there was that obvious spawncamping
jamisflawless: but its spawncamping, cmon
jamisflawless: the whole point is that you camp and wait
jamisflawless: why i would stood there if id had wh
jamisflawless: and i knew e.g the one guy standing up?
jamisflawless: or the mortar guy?
jamisflawless: on the demo i noticed him when i walked near
♥Saby: Jam.
jamisflawless: and decided to knife him.
♥Saby: Stop arguing, there is no point.
jamisflawless: to me, there was couple scenes that are obvious, but the whole demo isnt.
♥Saby: I sent it to sooooo many persons, and soooo many persons spected you.
jamisflawless: PS's been speccing me since i started playing
jamisflawless: thats the first time im accused
jamisflawless: and i didnt even hack
jamisflawless: i mean, im accused with demo*
♥Saby: i am not a newbie, i had severs if you remember correctly, and i still know how to catch a *beep* cheater that you are
♥Saby: i have 4 demos, dont forget it
jamisflawless: of me? send me all then!
♥Saby: and on each one there a weird scenes
jamisflawless: might be, might be sabrina.
jamisflawless: but the fact is i dont hack, never did, never will
jamisflawless: expect on ps2 crashbandigoos
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jamisflawless: huh well
jamisflawless: i might allready start writing a good bye to my friends
♥Saby: ?
♥Saby: what you mean ?
jamisflawless: on all the forums, might just try joining back to etpro clan and quit the funscene, stupid that people are so curious when someone just does something that MIGHT be hacking. yeh.
jamisflawless: ill upload the demos to PS too
jamisflawless: so you dont have to bother
♥Saby: xD
♥Saby: cmon, we are not jealous of you playing well, we all just can't stand cheaters, and you are one of them
jamisflawless: i dont think your jealous
jamisflawless: i just think that some people dont have deeper sight.
♥Saby: ive seen good players, like tomy, but he doesnt cheat, even if he has a great gameplay and etsense
jamisflawless: dont know that guy, but yeh like i wouldnt hate cheaters
♥Saby: how the hell can you know there was one guy there, and there and there ? I mean cmon even when im doing my best i couldnt guess he was there
jamisflawless: how many times i raged and broke my headset when getting spawnraped on some cb match
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jamisflawless: im not saying that you wouldnt
jamisflawless: i had good day, but i always played that level on PS..
♥Saby: you just so dont get it
jamisflawless: and this is the first time they come up with demos.
jamisflawless: i just so get it, you accuse me and the whole ps does, why bother defending myself. i first thought that my littlebrother, Ruohola, for real cheated on the servers. but then i saw that it was me, and i didnt use anything.
jamisflawless: whole point is that. you got your own opinion, i got mine.
jamisflawless: and btw, i use ambiescale etc.
jamisflawless: which are allowed.
jamisflawless: so make charecters etc look brigher
jamisflawless: and bushes and stuff deeper
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♥Saby: well, i think we can then stop the discussion here then. I'm gonna send all these demos to Evenbalance with your IP/Guid/Name and let's see what they think about it.
jamisflawless: yea
jamisflawless: you can do whats the best for you
♥Saby: and just never put the flawless again
jamisflawless: i dont care so much about the fact that people accuse me of cheating, but its always a shame to lose a friend.
jamisflawless: hah, so now your saying that i can use a sentence anymore when i play. get real,this is a *beep* game of people who're jealously accusing me. i didnt expect this coming from you, as i always was the one who banned people on your servers etc blablabla.
jamisflawless: but yeh, however you want, you can read my post on ps in a bit and also send them to evenbalance, i wanna know their opinion too.
jamisflawless: and one thing more, if i'd hack, how i could play on all ps servers so long?
jamisflawless: and now they "caught" me?
jamisflawless: theres PB in 4 of 5
jamisflawless: yes, thats a fact the demo is from 1 which hasnt got it, but i always play same style
jamisflawless: ive been mostly playing 2 & 5 where herk and hope plays
jamisflawless: and they has pb innit
jamisflawless: and people been accusing me on them too
jamisflawless: but yeh, u got your opinion and i got mine. peace out then 8D
♥Saby: i am not *beep* talking about the other servers, i aml talking about these freaking demos i have about you. So what ? you're gonna tell me that you played on a PB server ? What the hell does it have it place here ? I truely don't give a *beep* about this ok ?
♥Saby: I Mean you cheated on PS1
♥Saby: and now you're talking about another server ?
♥Saby: THere is absolutly no *beep* relation between these 2
jamisflawless: ..
jamisflawless: the point is, i wouldnt buy cheat.
jamisflawless: and as long as i know from scene, there is no hacks
jamisflawless: that works for free.
jamisflawless: np.
jamisflawless: and no need to get mad. =D
♥Saby: crusher
♥Saby:
♥Saby: free btw
♥Saby: you might didnt use this one as there is an aimbot with it
♥Saby: but you still used one
jamisflawless: ...
jamisflawless: if i would hack why wouldnt i use aimbot too..
jamisflawless: lol.
♥Saby: i never said you used an aimbot -.-
jamisflawless: you never did indeed.
jamisflawless: but if i had a hack i would do everything im able to do with it lol.
jamisflawless: i would just rage the servers and be a dick
♥Saby: no affraid of beeing caught
jamisflawless: which im not. but however.
jamisflawless: you think if i used wallhack first time of my life, i wouldnt been shooting walls etc. all the time?
jamisflawless: ..
♥Saby: if i had doubts in the past, this is not for no reason
jamisflawless: you've had doubts?
♥Saby: you said yourself that kris and i thought you were hacking
jamisflawless: cmon, you had boyfriend who cheated with 60% acc shooting triple hs and doing 180 turns all the time.. and you didnt think he was obvious, and now youre accusing me. great. -.-
jamisflawless: yeh, you or kris
jamisflawless: and then you kicked me from flawless when you merged with aoc
jamisflawless: because i was so shit
jamisflawless: if i was so shit why kris accused me 2 years back?
jamisflawless: and you do now?
jamisflawless: ...
♥Saby: talking about nemesis is such a shame as you actually don't know what i thought and what i knew
♥Saby: and what ? This is what is making you mad ? That neme cheated and that im mad at you ?
♥Saby: thinking its unfair, that i shouldnt say anything because of what neme did ?
♥Saby: cmon, this aint a story about him its about you
jamisflawless: ye
jamisflawless: its about never ending story
jamisflawless: about fighting against cheaters
jamisflawless: and every 10 times
jamisflawless: an innocent is banned.
jamisflawless: thats how it goes.
♥Saby: but this time, the innocent isnt you here
jamisflawless: what can i do that the punkbuster is so *beep* shit and people are paranoia
♥Saby: lol
jamisflawless: this is the time, that innocent is me. indeed.
♥Saby: remember panic is flawless ?
jamisflawless: somehow, yes.
♥Saby: he hacked
♥Saby: used wallhack
jamisflawless: like i didnt know?
♥Saby: but wasn't that obvious
jamisflawless: i told you thousand times.
♥Saby: but still i kicked him out
♥Saby: now its your turn, mate
jamisflawless: he wasnt obvious? sure lmao!
♥Saby: i just so not want to be friend with a *beep* cheater plus a liar. I had my quantity with nemesis
jamisflawless: im not gonna get mad about something i never done, but im just dissapointed on you, as youre on me.
jamisflawless: CMON why the *beep* i would lie to you???????
jamisflawless: its one care???
jamisflawless: i wont get unbanned because people are not seeing deep
jamisflawless: whats the point?
jamisflawless: i would admit if i did
jamisflawless: i got nothing to lose
jamisflawless: not even any respect, i dont have gained any on NQ
♥Saby: you have so much to loose
jamisflawless: why i care so much? because i dont want to lose friends bcuz of this shit lol.
jamisflawless: what i have to lose?
♥Saby: first, my respect, my friendship and also all the ones you new on public servers. Plus, all your reputation, and now your connections on PB servers
jamisflawless: i can still connect on pb servers.
♥Saby: not for long trust me
jamisflawless: its not like its the end, you can change your guid key etc. afaik
jamisflawless: no problem, i dont care.
jamisflawless: i could find out the guide to do that
jamisflawless: im just dissapointed truly.
jamisflawless: on how paranoia the people are on this game.
jamisflawless: i should've stood with rtwc.
jamisflawless:
♥Saby: you think what ? That im paranoiac ?
♥Saby: that you're not a cheater but still my paranoia shows me the wrong way to go ?
♥Saby: that again, my paranoia is showing me that you're shooting bullets againts walls ?
♥Saby: hmm how bad it is huh
jamisflawless: i didnt shoot walls
jamisflawless: on the first demo
jamisflawless: just on the box once
jamisflawless: but as i told, i have ambiescales etc. used, colours fixed with rivatuner and stuff.
jamisflawless: so seeing things darker and shiner
jamisflawless: etc. yeh that has nothing to do with it
jamisflawless: but just saying that you cant always recognize things
jamisflawless: until you play with fov of 90 and r picmip -1
♥Saby: oki. email is sent to evenbalance. Do you want me to let you know their opinion or do you want to have a supprise when one day you'll try to connect ?
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you farewell incase I'm gonna be one more innocent who gets banned. Was fun playing with all of you guys, and I hope the game gets a better punkbuster and people with deeper sight to get real cheaters banned.
Shoutouts to people that still believe in me. Think I'm moving back to etpro again, after this case.
JaM[fin]!
by Ruohola » Sun Dec 21, 2008 13:01
And to watch the demo, download it, and then move it to et/noquarter/demos and go ingame and do /demo *demoname*
EDIT: and I did watch them with snownormals_1 too and for me only one obvious scene on industry other demo where I shot walls, but it was due lag which I whined about next maps. However, if you really cant recognize someone who cheats from a player with gamesense (for example, if a guy shoots me like in other industry demo and im behind the box, then I go move up a bit and try to shoot him thru the box. Thats what they call 'poraus' on cs, and its all about reflex and gs)
But yeh, nice work admins anyways, good you keep an eye on everyone.
Oh, and so yet another edit, if you decide that im guilty and I get banned without a good reason, can I still stay on forums because I wanna chat with people eventho therefore I couldnt keep on playing. I want to prove myself, just dont know how, I feel exhausted because I didnt record my own demos about yesterday and all days before.. Because you could see that I always try to guess, if a guy hides behind the tank when I've shot him I usually crouch and try to shoot his legs, and then just shoot the tank both sides if he would pop out. 
Also, Sab send the demos to evenbalance, so we will see what their answer is. Eventho, they make mistakes too, but if they say that they're too obvious I will eat my ban without problems. Eventho if it wouldnt be right decision indeed.
EDIT: and I did watch them with snownormals_1 too and for me only one obvious scene on industry other demo where I shot walls, but it was due lag which I whined about next maps. However, if you really cant recognize someone who cheats from a player with gamesense (for example, if a guy shoots me like in other industry demo and im behind the box, then I go move up a bit and try to shoot him thru the box. Thats what they call 'poraus' on cs, and its all about reflex and gs)
But yeh, nice work admins anyways, good you keep an eye on everyone.
Oh, and so yet another edit, if you decide that im guilty and I get banned without a good reason, can I still stay on forums because I wanna chat with people eventho therefore I couldnt keep on playing. I want to prove myself, just dont know how, I feel exhausted because I didnt record my own demos about yesterday and all days before.. Because you could see that I always try to guess, if a guy hides behind the tank when I've shot him I usually crouch and try to shoot his legs, and then just shoot the tank both sides if he would pop out.
Also, Sab send the demos to evenbalance, so we will see what their answer is. Eventho, they make mistakes too, but if they say that they're too obvious I will eat my ban without problems.
Eventho if it wouldnt be right decision indeed. 
by Evil » Sun Dec 21, 2008 13:31
Jamisflawless wrote:and one thing more, if i'd hack, how i could play on all ps servers so long?
and now they "caught" me?
theres PB in 4 of 5
Well tbh new hacks pb is not able to spot and wont be kicked by punkbuster cause pb doesnt reconize that hack.
Anywayz: jam say also if id use hacks why not aimbot also instead only wallhacking.
Well iam going make a point why not:
if u put aimb on its simple to spot you with even u use wh aswell.
maybe u turn off the aimbot and use silence only wallhack that posible.
but anywayz i dont go waist my time to cheaters.
barley enough for a ban thats simple.
by Ruohola » Sun Dec 21, 2008 13:40
Yeah, waste time with cheaters when you could stop pretending to be so big and be nice and take a deeper look inside this case. Seriously, do need to be d*ick just because you have your own opinion.
Well tbh new hacks pb is not able to spot and wont be kicked by punkbuster cause pb doesnt reconize that hack.
- Tell me where to find a new hack that pb doesnt detect? As I heard from others, ALL hacks that works needs to be PAID for, and theres NO WALLHACKS only on SALE. So tell me, if I bought a bot, why I wouldnt set the humanized aim on and adjust it just so much that it seems human-like and still doing triple hs all the time? You accuse me like naga, he always played dodgy and proved to be one of the best teamplayers around there with awesome gamesense and aim. Too bad you will never have PS lan around, I'd be glad to showing off. Hehe
Well iam going make a point why not:
if u put aimb on its simple to spot you with even u use wh aswell.
maybe u turn off the aimbot and use silence only wallhack that posible.
- Are you saying I'm using aimbot? Get real. I've been playing this frigging dead game for such a long time, people have seen my bad days too, which you wont have when botting. People accused me of wallhacking time to time too, and this is the first time you come up with "proofs", that arent even THAT suspicious. They're, but still not enough to get banned from ESL/CB etc.
Anywayz: jam say also if id use hacks why not aimbot also instead only wallhacking.
- Look the demos, my aim isnt THAT good. If so, lets accuse that fUnner guy too, he played as well as I always do! He must be cheater! Oh wait, he is icy's friend, you cant accuse him. How ironic..
barley enough for a ban thats simple.
- Yeah, enough to ban from NoQuarter, where else? No-f*ucking-where. Indeed, so take a look at it again.
Well tbh new hacks pb is not able to spot and wont be kicked by punkbuster cause pb doesnt reconize that hack.
- Tell me where to find a new hack that pb doesnt detect? As I heard from others, ALL hacks that works needs to be PAID for, and theres NO WALLHACKS only on SALE. So tell me, if I bought a bot, why I wouldnt set the humanized aim on and adjust it just so much that it seems human-like and still doing triple hs all the time? You accuse me like naga, he always played dodgy and proved to be one of the best teamplayers around there with awesome gamesense and aim. Too bad you will never have PS lan around, I'd be glad to showing off. Hehe
Well iam going make a point why not:
if u put aimb on its simple to spot you with even u use wh aswell.
maybe u turn off the aimbot and use silence only wallhack that posible.
- Are you saying I'm using aimbot? Get real. I've been playing this frigging dead game for such a long time, people have seen my bad days too, which you wont have when botting. People accused me of wallhacking time to time too, and this is the first time you come up with "proofs", that arent even THAT suspicious. They're, but still not enough to get banned from ESL/CB etc.
Anywayz: jam say also if id use hacks why not aimbot also instead only wallhacking.
- Look the demos, my aim isnt THAT good. If so, lets accuse that fUnner guy too, he played as well as I always do! He must be cheater! Oh wait, he is icy's friend, you cant accuse him. How ironic..
barley enough for a ban thats simple.
- Yeah, enough to ban from NoQuarter, where else? No-f*ucking-where. Indeed, so take a look at it again.
by Ajit » Sun Dec 21, 2008 13:56
Ruohola wrote:- Look the demos, my aim isnt THAT good. If so, lets accuse that fUnner guy too, he played as well as I always do! He must be cheater! Oh wait, he is icy's friend, you cant accuse him. How ironic..
btw funner was banned for mistake from ps1 once when he had no lvls
+ funner is in PS also
And can u upload that demo with http://www.rapidshare.com/
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 14:06
http://rapidshare.com/files/175429084/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175429545/d ... dm_84.html
And on the 44, CMON WHAT IS OBVIOUS LMAO??? i prone, i jump, i crouch, i heal?? everything is SMOOTH, on this demo i never ever even shot the walls??? i watched it just again with shownormals and its just AWFUL playing imo.
pissing off case.. watch the minas tirith demo, whats obvious in that? in indsutry there was couple obv. scenes, but on minas tirith i see none... even when im on the wall, throwin nades etc, then i jump down, shoot the guy behind me etc.. nothing suspicious imo
This is really getting annoying.. I cant do much, just lolling at the people who record demos like that one..
http://rapidshare.com/files/175429545/d ... dm_84.html
And on the 44, CMON WHAT IS OBVIOUS LMAO??? i prone, i jump, i crouch, i heal?? everything is SMOOTH, on this demo i never ever even shot the walls??? i watched it just again with shownormals and its just AWFUL playing imo.
pissing off case.. watch the minas tirith demo, whats obvious in that? in indsutry there was couple obv. scenes, but on minas tirith i see none... even when im on the wall, throwin nades etc, then i jump down, shoot the guy behind me etc.. nothing suspicious imo
This is really getting annoying.. I cant do much, just lolling at the people who record demos like that one..
by Oxyg3n » Sun Dec 21, 2008 14:09
I am the one who recorded those demos.
At first i've been asked to spec you by a regular, I known you played etpro so I thought you were clear. Well that's why I recorded 4 demos.
To ban you was not one man decision, other saw this demos, and are obvious, each one.
You told we are "jealous", aren't you a little self centered??I'm personally not jealous if someone plays better than me, I should be jealous of more than a half of PS community.
Sadly for you, on this game we can trust only what we see, and we see a clear WH.
Here you will find comphrehension only if someone, analyzing your demos, sais that they proves nothing (apart you obv).
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Unfortunately, you lolling won't help so much.
At first i've been asked to spec you by a regular, I known you played etpro so I thought you were clear. Well that's why I recorded 4 demos.
To ban you was not one man decision, other saw this demos, and are obvious, each one.
You told we are "jealous", aren't you a little self centered??I'm personally not jealous if someone plays better than me, I should be jealous of more than a half of PS community.
Sadly for you, on this game we can trust only what we see, and we see a clear WH.
Here you will find comphrehension only if someone, analyzing your demos, sais that they proves nothing (apart you obv).
Edit:
This is really getting annoying.. I cant do much, just lolling at the people who record demos like that one.. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Unfortunately, you lolling won't help so much.
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 14:12
Oxyg3n wrote:I am the one who recorded those demos.
At first i've been asked to spec you by a regular, I known you played etpro so I thought you were clear. Well that's why I recorded 4 demos.
To ban you was not one man decision, other saw this demos, and are obvious, each one.
You told we are "jealous", aren't you a little self centered??I'm personally not jealous if someone plays better than me, I should be jealous of more than a half of PS community.
Sadly for you, on this game we can trust only what we see, and we see a clear WH.
Here you will find comphrehension only if someone, analyzing your demos, sais that they proves nothing (apart you obv).
I'm not calling u jealous, yeh, it was a bit rude, but I personaly think that people are just too paranoia these days. But hey, I uploaded that 44 again, I beg you, please, watch it and tell me how suspicious it is.
And I admit that there is tons of better players than me, so sorry again for that being rude saying your jealous, but I'm just pretty pissed of with this case.
At the moment I'm waiting for some friends to join up and show them the demos.
But Oxy, as I said before, I see the first industry demo obvious too. But from next two, theres only 1 suspicious scene when @ ammo cabin, and nothing more. Take a look at the minas tirith one, can you see anything suspicious? Because I clearly cant.
As you said, you can trust only what you see, but if I'd be a cheater, why I would still be replying? I got nothing to lose, apart from that little "reputation" I gained there, but lets pretend I'm a cheater, I could just tell you to *beep* off, change my guid and ip easily, come back to your server with another nick and keep on raging. Either way, I'm not, and I just want to clear the case up.
This is so sad and annoying :'<
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 15:09
Garfield wrote:Oxyg3n wrote: Well that's why I recorded 4 demos.
well can u upload those others also ?
well after watching those 2 demos i have my opinion but i wont tel you before i see rest 2 demos.
One demo up there, uploading the last one now
Here's the last one from Eagles:
I have to say the FIRST scene is *beep* obvious, but as I'm former CS:S player I pretty much try to "porata" (dont know the word in english) and jump and hit like on it. But yeah, the scene where I shoot the moving thing on first, It's whlike, no doubt. Other suspicious scene was that when the cvops (saukko) was lying on the roof, but I heard him shooting so I leaned a bit and shoot him. You should've recorded the whole map imo, because on the rest of the map I was getting pretty much ass kicked
And yeah, you can make ur own opinion.
http://rapidshare.com/files/175447296/d ... dm_84.html
The other, first demo, is up there!
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[BTC]^Mama!: k guy i watched demo of industry2 u upload in forum and bcs of this u are banned? oO wtf
[BTC]^Mama!: i cant see there any kind of wh or sth like this bcs then u would have aimed much more people if they are behind walls etc
[BTC]^Mama!: and u where most time if u walk around corner not on people or aimed beside them to the point u can see them ...
[BTC]^Mama!: in my eyes this demo isnt any kind of cheater or sth like this ...
jamisflawless: yeah...
jamisflawless: can u defend me on the topic in ps? :s
[BTC]^Mama!: can u send other 2 demos plz again
jamisflawless: yeah sec
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jamisflawless: there u go
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[BTC]^Mama!: k thx
jamisflawless: http://www.prime-squadron.com/modules.p ... highlight=
jamisflawless: here is th etopic
jamisflawless: say what u have to say plz :s
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jamisflawless: mama ^^
[BTC]^Mama!: ?
jamisflawless: can u check the topic
jamisflawless: -.-
jamisflawless: they accuse me of wh and that evil says i use aimbot
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[BTC]^Mama!: lol i cant see any real point in first demo where i can say "ok he cheats"
[BTC]^Mama!: or use wh
[BTC]^Mama!: hmmm forum will not accept my registration god damn today nothing is working ^^
[BTC]^Mama!: but if u want u can write from me into forum and tell them if they wanna discuss they can write me on xfire aocmama
jamisflawless: sure
jamisflawless: can i copy our conversation?
[BTC]^Mama!: hmm if u correct myx englisch yes
jamisflawless:
jamisflawless: it doesnt matter, u got good english
[BTC]^Mama!: nope =)
jamisflawless: i can understand it no problem
BTC]^Mama!: yeah but try to correct it little bit plz
jamisflawless: yah
jamisflawless: i will
[BTC]^Mama!: k thx
So I had a discussion with [BtC]Mama! , who is an old friend of mine and we've known each other before flawless ever existed. I decided to send him the demos and ask his opinion, as you asked, and thats what he has to say. He couldnt register on the forum, so if you think im lying or the logs aint real, you can add him to xfire: aocmama
I'm also willing to send the demos to whole BtC-clan [btcclan.de] as they've known me for 3 or more years and they know the style I play - which is exactly the same on the demos.
Peace out.
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by Oxyg3n » Sun Dec 21, 2008 15:10
http://rapidshare.com/files/175151533/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175152393/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175159341/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175168827/d ... dm_84.html
Jam I will not explain what you can already see...I would prefer to hear someone that tells you didn't hacked, because, since now, your words aren't enough against the facts.
http://rapidshare.com/files/175152393/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175159341/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175168827/d ... dm_84.html
Jam I will not explain what you can already see...I would prefer to hear someone that tells you didn't hacked, because, since now, your words aren't enough against the facts.
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 15:24
Oxyg3n wrote:http://rapidshare.com/files/175151533/demo0042.dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175152393/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175159341/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175168827/d ... dm_84.html
Jam I will not explain what you can already see...I would prefer to hear someone that tells you didn't hacked, because, since now, your words aren't enough against the facts.
Go on xfire and add aocmama to your friendslist. I'm also waiting for him to send the demos to other btc members, so they can make up their opinion too. I'm willing to do my best to clear this case, cos on the demos.. Cmon, only obvious scenes was 3 @ industry, 2 @ eagles, which all I explained.
Think with brains now, If I had wh, why didnt I always go for the guys who were behind the wall? I could've get alot more kills and stuff by going whenever I saw a guy e.g leaning behind a wall and do triplehs.. I had no idea that someone would actualy record me, so why I would be "hiding" anything?
Well, just add him and I give you later more addresses/ask people to register here.
EDIT:
more from mama i forgot to post
jamisflawless: thx alot
jamisflawless: i pasted the logs to the topic
[BTC]^Mama!: kk secound demo on industry i only can say same like first one if u had wh u had react much better in lot of scenes every time u killed anybody it was no magic or sth like that u have see them or u knew many people take that way
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BTW, im also Call of Duty 5 operator and highly respected on eSports-scene, where I'm just to name one part of World Gaming Alliance
(#WGA - www.thewga.org) and this case is just ridicilously - If it would be America I could sue !
I could ask the head admin of WGA to reply here later, when he gets on irc.
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by sad » Sun Dec 21, 2008 15:34
YAh well jam gave me link to this case a moment ago on xfire and sent me the demos. let me introduce myself - im a former cod series player, playing actively on highskill since years. ive played ALOT with this guy and i say that some scenes are REALLy, really, obvious, but cmon, overall the demos are freaking useless. lets think again, why the hell he would cheat in free online game, buy a cheats and go to some NOQUARTER mod to pwn noobs? he is goddamn skilled guy, playing fps games for years - he dont need that stuff to be good. ive also played in former finnish et clan with him, and all i can say that he's always been dodgy - but he has also been to many lans which he proved himself at. its up to you, but i just want to defend him cos he isnt that kind of guy plus he has the skills that KILLS. his gamesense has improved alot as years passed, but as i said, its your case. all i can say that your blaming the wrong guy. 
SAD<3
SAD<3
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 15:54
Thanks pigu
[BTC]^Mama!: u upload demos anywhere?
[BTC]^Mama!: bcs i post in btc admin topic
jamisflawless: oh wait sec
jamisflawless: http://rapidshare.com/files/175151533/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175152393/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175159341/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175168827/d ... dm_84.html
So we'll see what btcclan.de thinks..
[BTC]^Mama!: u upload demos anywhere?
[BTC]^Mama!: bcs i post in btc admin topic
jamisflawless: oh wait sec
jamisflawless: http://rapidshare.com/files/175151533/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175152393/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175159341/d ... dm_84.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/175168827/d ... dm_84.html
So we'll see what btcclan.de thinks..
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by warren-the-ape » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:00
Merry Christmas:
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"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend." 
by Oxyg3n » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:08
I just re-watched the first 2 demos and, well it's just ridicolous on how much clear is it, I don't care who are you and were you play jam, even your friends tells that there are many OBVIOUS SCENES, so, please, this are the proves, stay stick to the demos and tell me, LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM, IS HE WALLACKING?.....response: yes.
Plus, the clearest prove ever...demo 43, 14:55, you shoot directly to an enemy behind a wall, then you shoot nonsense bullets like you think "oh crap".
I will wait for my mates to give a point about that since they are surely more skilled and experienced than me, but for me this case is closed.
Plus, the clearest prove ever...demo 43, 14:55, you shoot directly to an enemy behind a wall, then you shoot nonsense bullets like you think "oh crap".
I will wait for my mates to give a point about that since they are surely more skilled and experienced than me, but for me this case is closed.
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:17
Oxyg3n wrote:I just re-watched the first 2 demos and, well it's just ridicolous on how much clear is it, I don't care who are you and were you play jam, even your friends tells that there are many OBVIOUS SCENES, so, please, this are the proves, stay stick to the demos and tell me, LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM, IS HE WALLACKING?.....response: yes.
Plus, the clearest prove ever...demo 43, 14:55, you shoot directly to an enemy behind a wall, then you shoot nonsense bullets like you think "oh crap".
I will wait for my mates to give a point about that since they are surely more skilled and experienced than me, but for me this case is closed.
This rules guy, I dont even know him. And he seems to be one of your community.
I'm so exhausted to be honest, I allready made an appeal to MBI and I will be standing on this case doesnt matter how long it takes. I watched the demo yes, I know its suspicious, but how the hell can I prove myself If im not let any chance?! And wait for your mates, I allready gave the links to uploads away, and if thats about opinions I surely could hand them over to cheatbusting-scene of ET - tho it's just noquarter so I dont know why I care, maybe I just like playing on your server so much. Duhh.
And about that question. I pretend now being an outsider, I go watch demos.
Demo 42: One wallhack-like scene, might hack
Demo 43: 14:55, couple little "suspicious" ones, hacker imo
Demo 44: Nothing, clear as shit and not even good
Demo 45: Hard to say, some scenes might be WH and then other time doesnt react on the enemy who is behind the wall next to him. Not hacking imo.
I accept that theres dodgy things, but cmon, why I'm so shit then and not killing every guy behind walls then?
by Piink » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:20
Heyo this is sab from an other account.
I have my words to say as i am the one who told him and sent him the demos.
First, please, guys, don't ever ever relate me to this twat again, like icy did. This is just so irritating.
Anyway, Jam has an official PBBan for Wallhack, that happened yesterday, as Warren gave the link. I just think that this is an answer clear enough for his behaviour and his ban.
The best would be to lock this topic as all the words he'll add will just be crap and other false excuses.
I have my words to say as i am the one who told him and sent him the demos.
First, please, guys, don't ever ever relate me to this twat again, like icy did. This is just so irritating.
Anyway, Jam has an official PBBan for Wallhack, that happened yesterday, as Warren gave the link. I just think that this is an answer clear enough for his behaviour and his ban.
The best would be to lock this topic as all the words he'll add will just be crap and other false excuses.
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:20
And I've talked to this mama guy 10mins on last 1year, I just saw him being friend of a friend on xfire and he has been admining servers since years and think he'd know how they look like. And then, without me even asking, he said he'll post them to BtC which is one huge community (like PS) where I've been also playing - so they get a chance to see them too.
But yeah, your court is pretty one-sided there.
But yeah, your court is pretty one-sided there.
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by jamisflawless » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:23
Piink wrote:Heyo this is sab from an other account.
I have my words to say as i am the one who told him and sent him the demos.
First, please, guys, don't ever ever relate me to this twat again, like icy did. This is just so irritating.
Anyway, Jam has an official PBBan for Wallhack, that happened yesterday, as Warren gave the link. I just think that this is an answer clear enough for his behaviour and his ban.
The best would be to lock this topic as all the words he'll add will just be crap and other false excuses.
Your such a dick honestly. Yeah, lock the topic and dont let me have any explanations or anything, PROFESSIONALS are saying there is no wh-actions, but yeah, you know as you had boyfriend over internet game who was cheater himself - and now you pretend like you're *beep* experienced on this stuff? Get real allready. And you know who I'm talking about.
by Piink » Sun Dec 21, 2008 16:26
Just let me know the link between personal life and your ban ?
Lemme guess. None ?
You're just frustrated because getting caught cheating. But, man, i'm not the one who installed a wh on my pc. Just grow up a big and learn about responsibilities.
Seems like you can not put a part the ET world and real life anymore.
Lemme guess. None ?
You're just frustrated because getting caught cheating. But, man, i'm not the one who installed a wh on my pc. Just grow up a big and learn about responsibilities.
Seems like you can not put a part the ET world and real life anymore.
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